Episode Transcript
[00:00:02] Ready to lose 40 plus pounds without giving up happy hours, weekend brunches, or date nights. Then it's time to uncover the hidden link between binge eating and toxic relationships. And finally break free from both. Welcome to the Hungry for Love podcast with Jillian Scott. Y' all ready? Let's go.
[00:00:24] Hey. Hey. Welcome back and welcome to episode 200. Oh, my gosh, this is just amazing. I didn't really have any plans of quitting the podcast when I first started it, and of course, after I realized how much I loved it, but it's just pretty amazing to be here at episode 200. And so this is very in line as we head into season three, or what I'm deeming now, season three of the podcast, where I'll be continuing to talk about trauma and relationships and sharing a bit more of my experience, my story, and then also bringing in more of this metabolic health component, because I do think that we are potentially missing a big marker here. If 94% of American adults are metabolically compromised, I don't ever want to assume that just because you've been through trauma that you have high stress, potentially anxiety, insulin resistance, inflammation, things like that. I don't want to make those assumptions, but I do want to look at the data. And we do have a lot of data out there that regardless of how you look on the outside, you may not be functioning well on the inside. And I think I'm a prime example of this. And so last week, and talking about GLP1s from the standpoint of nervous system regulation, it also gets to the heart of metabolic health and really creating this restorative repaired effect on the gut, the brain, the nervous system. And so that was a big component. As I was researching and learning more, that was really what sold me. And that piece was really what got me on this whole thing. But I have my own health concerns. Like, my eyebrows have all fallen out. It is a sign of an underactive thyroid, but because my TSH levels are in the normal range, a normal doctor cannot diagnose me. They cannot treat me without the threat and the potential of losing their license. And so I'm showing significant symptoms of hypothyroidism, and yet I'm not being properly treated. And if we look at where some of these different issues and conditions are stemming from, I really believe that a lot of it comes from chronic stress, chronic inflammation, and the physical manifestations of trauma on the body.
[00:02:27] So there's that, number one. Also, I was diagnosed with PCOS about 10 years ago, and my stepmom who is a medical researcher. Her view is that I may have been misdiagnosed. She was like, you don't have the typical profile for somebody. So while, yes, that could be true, I wonder if these other two symptoms that they're claiming is related to pcos, if it could be something different.
[00:02:48] And really, pcos, Polycystic ovarian syndrome is a form of insulin resistance. And so if we look at that view of the vagus nerve continuously gets degraded over time because of stress and trauma.
[00:03:02] Now that degradation drives insulin resistance. So it actually makes sense, even if on the outside, I don't look that way internally. There are some systems that are off. And there have been some things where a lot of doctors and even naturopathic doctors, they haven't been able to find a solution or they haven't been able to figure this out. And I go through bouts of wanting to try to solve it or pursuing it, and then I get frustrated, I get annoyed, and I need a break. And I'm like, all right, I'm done spending thousands of dollars trying to figure this out. I'm just gonna live with it. I'm just gonna draw in my eyebrows with eyeshadow every day. Okay. However, if we could actually address things from the root cause and find healing that is going to be better in the long run. I don to just keep slapping a band aid on a bullet wound. And this was really my issue and where I started exploring this and then better understanding the positive impacts of GLP1s on our body from this restorative, regenerative manner. I'm going to explain and walk you through a little bit of what got me to even just start exploring them. And then what I learned that had me thinking, yes, these could be extremely beneficial.
[00:04:11] Really, what got me curious and exploring this was talking with a colleague of mine, and she's a coach. She's got all of the tools. She's got the mindset and the somatic and nervous system work and breath work. She's got access to all the tools. She knows them, she coaches on them, she teaches them. And she still was having a really hard time feeling calm and regulating her nervous system and feeling like she could manage her anxiety as she started working with a functional practitioner in her state. That is where she learned about microdosing GLP1s, and that's what led to her losing 35 pounds over two years. Okay, so I think this is really important if we're going to talk about GLP1s and looking at it from a restorative Repair aspect from a way of helping to maybe regulate the nervous system. It's also not there to just be a crutch. It is not there for us to over rely on. And I believe that's where a lot of people have gone wrong, including doctors and how this is being prescribed outside of people who are obese or have type 2 diabetes. Because that's originally why these peptides and these hormones were optimized and utilized in this way is they were designed for a very specific category of person and health condition. As it's starting to be used now for other people, I think it's still being prescribed at too high of a dose. So maybe only half of the people that I've heard can even manage the starting dose. And a standard starting dose is not a microdose. And that's where I was even upset with the telehealth company that I purchased through. I ordered a microdose because I was like, all right, I'm going to test this out for myself and I'm going to explore what side effects do I feel, how am I experiencing things, what changes do I feel? Can it really help with inflammation and brain fog and insulin resistance? And some things that I know are at the core of some challenges that I have and knowing that it also has to be in play with other lifestyle factors, I cannot just do that in a vacuum. I'm actually going to microdose it, but they prescribed me the starting standard dose. It's actually not a microdose. And so the point that I've come to now is there's a lot of misinformation out there. And even for companies that I trust, I'm still like, all right, you gave me this three month package of GLP1s and I'm now going to end up making it last six to seven months because I actually am not using that full starting standard dose. My body would not be able to handle it, I can guarantee you that. That has been part of why I've been hesitant to explore them because I've heard such negative things. People rely it as this end all, be all. And for people who can handle the starting dose or can handle the increase in dosage, they lose the weight, but then they have to come off it. Either the insurance stops paying or they want to come off it and then the weight just comes right back. And so to find somebody who lost 35 pounds over two years, right, she did this by not just using it to suppress appetite or to calm any food craving, she used it to turn down the temperature of the anxiety and create a more calm state where she could better manage the stress eating, she could better put to use the tools that she already had at her disposal. And so the way that I think about this and the analogy that I like to use here is if you had a pot of boiling water on the stove, it is set to high and it is at a rolling, steady boil, okay? That pot is hot, that water in there is hot, and it is not coming down anytime soon. I think of that as like a dysregulated state. Okay, so we try to cool off the water, we try to add in ice cubes like lifestyle changes and eating better and more real foods and maybe even some exercise and light movement, some yoga. Then we tried meditation and breath work and mindset work and somatic work. And we're just keep throwing these ice cubes in. But because the stove is set to high, the ice can't be effective at decreasing the temperature of the water.
[00:08:02] All it's doing now is increasing the volume of the water to where it's more likely to spill over. And the temperature we really haven't done anything to where I think GLP1s fit is on a microdose level, is they help to turn down the temperature of the stove so that instead of it being set to high, it's set to low. It's at a 1 out of 10, not a 10 out of 10. So even though the water there may still be hot, when you add in mindset and somatic work, breath work, nervous system, food choices, when we start to add in tools that are going to address some of those pieces, now we can actually cool off the water and then instead of getting triggered back up to that high state of that 10 out of 10, the GLP1 keeps your nervous system better regulated to where you're still in that one to three level. You're still very low. Circumstance changes, meltdowns from kids, attitude from teenagers, issues with your co parent, right? It's like there's still going to be little triggers, but your nervous system isn't so highly reactive and dysregulated. We still keep it at a very low level to where once again, it's like we can get through that time and then the ice cubes are working. This is just how I've started to better understand it from that lens of nervous system regulation.
[00:09:24] We want to create a sense of safety. And if you can't create that sense of calm or safety, then you may need additional intervention. And there's nothing wrong with that. Let's not make that a problem, because here's the thing, y'. All, I wear glasses specifically at night or to see far away. And usually it's at night while driving. Okay. I'm usually fine driving during the day, but sometimes I'll put them on if I'm trying to navigate road signs or something like that, because it helps just create a little bit more clarity with reading letters or just some of the details. But I need glasses. I need a medical intervention for my eyes so that they can function better and function at optimal levels. Here's the thing that's ironic. My ex would make fun of me for it, right? Nobody shamed me. Nobody would make fun of me for my glasses except for him.
[00:10:09] He was the only one making fun of me for him and telling me I look stupid in them. But most healthy people are going to be like, oh, yeah, if you need to see better, yep, by all means, wear glasses, wear contact lenses, or maybe explore Lasik eye surgery. We are all for that.
[00:10:23] So I hope that we also have an open mind about different interventions that help with our metabolic health, that help with managing our systems and creating better responses, because that's what a peptide is. So a GLP1 is a peptide. A peptide is a signaling hormone. It acts as a messenger in the body to tell it what to do. And so what we have is we have these GLP1 receptors all over the body, all inside the body. So they sit in our gut, in our brain, on our nervous system. Okay, that's really important. Those three areas, vastly important. But they also sit on ovaries and organs, joints and other parts all throughout the body. Now you have a GLP1 agonist that comes in through this peptide that binds to that receptor. It activates the receptor, so that the receptor is now telling that part of the body, it's time to do the thing you're supposed to do. Now.
[00:11:17] That's it. We are just wanting to signal to that part of the body of it's time to go, it's time to do the thing and to do the proper thing. That's what we're looking for. And that's why I believe that there are better health results from lower doses slowly titrating up, slowly titrating down. I'm gonna do a whole episode on what people do wrong and what to avoid. If you are going to explore something like this with a naturopath, through your doctor, through a telehealth company, no matter how you may want to explore this, if you do, number one many of us are probably GLP1 deficient. And so if we need that extra activation in our body to get our bodies to function better, now imagine what these small little doses could do. That's how I'm thinking about this. A GLP1 deficiency like this is not talked about. It's a known thing in the medical community. But I'd say that this has not really come onto the surface until the GLP1 use for, especially for weight loss in recent years has been more publicly widespread.
[00:12:18] But GLP1 deficiency is understood. And the way that most clinicians I think would see this is that happens in those who are either obese, diabetic or have non alcoholic fatty liver disease.
[00:12:31] But what we're also finding now, it's been documented in those with insulin resistance. So remember, type 2 diabetes is a form of insulin resistance. But you can have insulin resistance without type 2 diabetes.
[00:12:43] What happens is as that vagus nerve that goes from our brain to our gut, as it gets eroded and degraded because of stress, that degradation is a driver of the insulin resistance.
[00:12:56] So this is an important piece because if 80% of US adults are overweight or obese, we could say that of those another 80% have type 2 diabetes. I've heard that 94% of American adults are metabolically compromised. And so if we're now just making some rough estimates of 80% of Americans are probably dealing with insulin resistance, then we also have to conclude that 80% of them are also dealing with some degree of GLP1 deficiency. The goal is not to crank a hormone, right? We would never just throw a bunch of estrogen or progesterone very quickly at a patient or a client and expect them to get better or to have positive outcomes. A peptide is a hormone, we need to treat it as such. So we want tiny doses to replace what's missing, to just help to stimulate. And this is where it's like we have to change. Our framework of more is never better.
[00:13:53] You can create better results for your body on smaller doses, number one, but you also need the habit change. And again, this is where a lot of people go wrong, is they don't have time to change the habits. And I see that even with clients who lose 25 or 30 pounds with me in a six month period, sometimes that six months is not enough time to truly solidify habits. That's why I started working with people over the course of a year, because I knew that we needed more time for habit change and for our bodies to function better. We need to have the movement and depending on where your adrenals are at or where your thyroid is at, we need to adjust the movement, but ideally bringing in some type of weight training, we need to be sleeping and hydrating drinking water, but also getting in enough electrolytes. There's so many of these lifestyle factors that we cannot forego. We have to be addressing that as well, while also potentially optimizing the body with a micro dose of a GLP1.
[00:14:51] That's my take. And even if you are obese or have type 2 diabetes or even the fatty liver disease, those still require that you still follow the lifestyle pieces. This cannot be that. We rely on one thing to do all of the work and all of the heavy lifting in the body and you just sit back and do nothing. You just lose weight and your A1C gets better without you having to change your eating, change your drinking, change your movement. You just. You get to keep all of your habits without lifting a finger.
[00:15:21] That is not sustainable. That's not normal, that's not healthy. At some point, the medication is going to stop working. And putting people on these fast doses and then bringing them up like this is often why people bonk in month two or three. It's because doses keep doubling and it's more than their body can handle. So then they throw it out. As I tried it, it didn't work, or I felt terrible, so I stopped. Which, yes, you should have. I'm in full agreement with that. But it's because the system and the approach was flawed.
[00:15:51] So even doing it under the care of a medical physician, I still feel is not always effective. Because you start at 2.5 milligrams of tirzepatide, for example. That's the starting dose. That is not a micro dose. That's the starting standard dose. Okay, I want to be very clear about that. But then in month two, it doubles, y'. All. It doubles to 5.0.
[00:16:14] And then if you can handle that, it's going to add another 2.5. And now you are at 7.5 milligrams, and your body may not need that. What we want to do is to create the best results possible with the lowest dose possible, not just throwing these big heavy doses at somebody. The other thing that we find at month three is that your tissue saturation levels also now are increased to where you don't need such a high dose. If anything, instead of going up on month three, they should be coming down now. Everybody is different and everybody should be toast and titrated up and down. As an Individual, not as some group or it's like, oh well, this one person's body over there did it in the study, so now your body should do it too. That's not true. This has to be a bio, individual prescription. Now I also want to be clear here. I am not diagnosing anybody. I'm not prescribing anything. I'm not a medical doctor. This is not medical advice. I just want to share more information.
[00:17:15] I want to share where I think we have some gaps. And that internal metabolic healing aspect and making sure that your body is functioning properly, I think that's a gap and that's something that I'm looking at addressing. And I've found ample evidence that small doses of GLP1 can be really effective.
[00:17:33] Now this also needs to be done while looking at the whole body. So looking at things like adrenals and thyroid and sex hormones, beyond just the lifestyle we wanna look at, what does it really take to get your body healthy? And that's gonna look different for everybody. I do think that this can be beneficial for many people, but I also know there's some skepticism, there's some healthy hesitation, but it's like really diving into the science of how does this work and where people are getting it wrong. Because there's a lot of fear mongering out there around GLP1s and especially at high doses. That's where we're seeing more of the problem.
[00:18:11] So there are now supposedly some other supplements, more like herbal supplements that claim to be as effective as peptide intervention.
[00:18:22] I don't know that I fully believe that. I'm not sure. However, I still have some more research to do there.
[00:18:29] Right. So I think what we're also seeing here is this kind of flood of GLP1 support as a supplement. I've heard some people talk about it as not very effective, but I'm not sure. So I'm at the very beginning studies, but again, I just want to add these as tools in your tool belt. That's what I want to do. And if we're going to do anything, if we're going to put anything in our body, let's do it in a smart way. And this is where I do believe that some bodies need intervention. I was talking with a woman at the gym this week actually, and she was saying how she believes that your body was designed to function all on its own. You should not need anything. You don't need to take cold medicine, you don't need ibuprofen, you don't need medication, you don't need hormones, nothing. And I'm like, okay, I don't agree with that. And she is welcome to have her view. But no. Some people's bodies need support just like some people's eyes need support by glasses or contacts. This is really how I went into it, was hearing some anecdotal evidence of how people felt less stressed, less anxiety, they felt less inflammation in their body. The diet and exercise and the protocols that they were trying to do or that they were using previously actually now seemed like the scale was moving and they were losing weight and they were feeling better.
[00:19:40] That's important.
[00:19:42] People who were binge drinkers before now can have one or two drinks and not need a whole six pack or to drink a, a whole handle of vodka or.
[00:19:52] There have been some really incredible results that people have created. But it's really dependent on the person. It's dependent on your own individual body and what other health conditions or health markers you may have. I think there's a lot of opportunity here. And just based on what I've learned about it, to me this makes sense. And to create better pathways and to help spur the systems within the body to do what they were designed to do. That's what we want. That's my take on it. This is a big reason as to why I've changed my mind about GLP1s is I have a better understanding of it and the science and how it works. I have a better understanding of this concept around microdosing instead of just the traditional standard dosing. I can see now why there were so many people who could not keep up with the dosing schedule who had such terrible side effects. And to be quite honest, it's a minefield out there. Especially if it's a peptide that is research grade and not medical grade. It's meant to be used in a lab, not in your body. And so this is where we're getting some of those horror stories. And again, I think there's also just general fear mongering and shaming, which I think is terrible. We need to stop the shame. And what's hard is if you are shamed for being overweight, you're shamed for regaining weight after losing it, you're shamed now for wanting to pursue some type of intervention to help you. You're shamed if you're exercising and eating well, but your body just won't release the weight. That's ultimately what's at play here is because of the trauma, our bodies don't feel safe enough to release the weight. What are we to do, just live in a body we hate forever? And this is where, regardless of the mindset and emotional capacity work that we do, which, again, those are still tools that we need. But you can't mindset your way out of insulin resistance, or out of high inflammation and chronic inflammation, or out of a. An unhealthy, leaky gut or immune issues like an autoimmune disease. We want to be dosing this low and slow. We want to be doing this with a whole myriad of other things. This is not done alone, in a vacuum.
[00:22:01] And when we do that too, it's like that will allow your body to better adjust. And it's not about turning off hunger and making it so you don't eat. It's not about turning off cravings. It's about taking the temperature down so you can better handle it and adjust to it. That's what we want. Okay, I think that's all I have to say about that for right now. But that's the core of why I've changed my mind is hearing more stories, more anecdotal evidence, and better understanding how our bodies work and the physiology. Because, look, I am not a biochem major. I'm not a doctor. This is not what I studied in college. And even now, as I look at, like, my professional experience, up until now, it's very much been more in the psychology realm, in the emotional intelligence realm, not so much in the physical. But they do all tie together. And I do believe that this is still a missing piece for some people. I don't think it's necessary for everybody, but I do think that many Americans would benefit from increasing the GLP1 agonists in their bodies so that they can meet the receptors and get the body to function optimally.
[00:23:08] That's what I would suggest and advocate for. So if you would like to talk more about what this could look like for you, whether you want to use peptides or you want more help and support with coaching and habits and lifestyle and emotional eating, then I would love to chat more. This is also why I decided I wanted to really educate myself. I wanted to really know what was going on and better understand it. Because the more I can understand it, the more comfortable I feel with it. And I would not feel comfortable advocating for something if I didn't fully know. Like, I don't want to advocate for something that could do harm. That goes against my whole mission.
[00:23:40] So as I keep exploring this, I'm going to keep sharing what I find and same thing with other things. If I find evidence or anything that really supports that, it's worth exploring. But let me know if you have any questions, comments, fears. You can always schedule a consultation and we can talk more about what your options look like for true, sustainable, lasting weight loss and metabolic health. Visit body crave.com schedule book a day and time on my calendar. Let's chat all right y', all, here's to creating the life and body you crave.
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